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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have a paradigm shifted into truths

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questioned and now shattered reality ok

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Hey - how are you I'm doing okay yeah I

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think we got a slate first ok yeah it's

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July 12th ok 2016 yes already and it's

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our 34th show can you believe it no that

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does seem incredible it is and we are

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going strong here especially today I

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know you're so excited about this yes I

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am really excited because today we have

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an amazing amazing guest a man who has

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written at least 5 books a man that I am

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happy to call friend I first ran across

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Russell Targ our guest when he was doing

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a discussion of his earlier book which

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was called the end of suffering in New

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York City and that same night in that

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auditorium which was packed that night

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to see Russell he did some remote

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viewing experiments with the group and

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lo and behold I got you know good 90% of

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the first one in about 50 or more

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percent of the second one and I was

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thrilled

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since then I've taken remote viewing

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with he and Stephen Schwartz up at the

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Omega Institute I've seen him at the

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International remote viewing Association

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convention in that not Baton Rouge

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Louisiana in New Orleans Louisiana and

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then most recently at the Society for

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scientific exploration now Russell Targ

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is a physicist

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and author who was a pioneer in the

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development of the laser and laser

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applications

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he was co-founder of the previously

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secret Stanford Research Institute's

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investigation into psychic abilities in

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the 1970's and 80's his work in this new

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area called remote viewing was published

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in nature the Proceedings of the

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Institute of Electrical and Electronics

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Engineers and the Proceedings of the

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of science Russell did graduate work in

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physics at Columbia University and his

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co-author of nine books although I only

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have five I'm sorry dealing with the

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scientific investigation of psychic

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physicist proof of psychic abilities in

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1997 Russell Targ retired from Lockheed

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Martin missiles and space company as a

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senior staff scientist where he

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detection of wind shear now that should

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be up a lot of interest to you cake yes

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much about wind shear not personally and

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not up and close no he now pursues ESP

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teaches remote viewing worldwide so

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please let's welcome Russell Targ to

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shattered reality hi Russell yes yes

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yeah I'm happy to be with you

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and the CIA would be very happy that you

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take a really deep breath before you say

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top secret program that's the way they

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emphasize that so why you know we've had

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a few people involved with remote

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like to hear your definition

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of remote viewing well the most

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still interested and that is remote

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of the feet of your guru anybody

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thousands of dollars remote viewing and

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lesser extent it's been forbidden in us

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even in the Soviet Union where you have

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lots of shamans everybody's got a

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ability we have to quiet our minds and

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distance and of time so it's no harder

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a later time and that accounts for a lot

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a later time what you're going to be

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not a sensual and precognition it

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Soviet Union and he died before anybody

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going backwards in time I remember I was

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dress and so forth that maybe didn't get

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suicide famous event that happened

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2,000 years old you then got feedback

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history that familiar to all historians

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very famous location tell me about it

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what happened there and you search for

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certain new sense you're quieting your

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awareness I'm about to see an

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interesting picture I'd like to quiet my

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to describe what's in the paper bag

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all the different opportunities for

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experience of shape and weight in color

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easier to describe than pictures even

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though both of them are totally hidden

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people into multi-sensory

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data rather than just thinking about a

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at this point I have to tell you Russell

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that I think that you are a wonderful

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psychic intermediary because everybody

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in the class was doing really really

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well up there and Omega with you people

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were getting the targets partially or

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fully so it was it was really very very

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impressive but don't you fall I have a

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lot of experiences the NSRI my job was

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to sit in the dark with the viewer of

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that day and help that viewer learn to

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quiet his or her mind and describe where

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could be in another country or I could

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be looking for a submarine or airplane

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and it was always my job to help this

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unsuspecting visitor visitor always had

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the idea that they were going to come

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and see something psychic and their idea

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is that we would pop Madame Catherine

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out of the closet and she would do the

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psychic stuff and they would watch there

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was us was they expected in reality they

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would wind up sitting with me in a

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darkened room and I said well actually

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you're the remote viewer and I will help

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you I of course don't know the answer I

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don't know anything about the answer but

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I will guide you because I have some

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experience I know it remote viewing

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sounds like and I will guide you to that

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part of your awareness that reveals the

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answer and I did that for a decade so I

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became quite familiar with how to do

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that so in a certain sense my spiritual

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path was paid for by the CIA is very

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unusual situation I got to sit in the

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dark for 10 years as my eyes shut

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helping people get in touch with their

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own

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psychic ability and timeless awareness

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Buddhists would say that who you are is

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not what you see in the mirror and the

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more I know is that's good news for most

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of most of us most of us would rather be

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something different than what we see in

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the mirror and Buddhist teachers who you

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are is timeless awareness your

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consciousness that exists and persists

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in a space independent of time and if

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you do that enough of the remote viewing

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road viewing of course is not a

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spiritual path but if you do enough

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remote viewing you decide that there is

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a spiritual or non-local aspect of your

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awareness that's available to you and

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and you really went in to the spiritual

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side of it if you will in the book the

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end of suffering that you did with JJ

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hurtak yes we did and and what we're

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teaching there mainly is the teaching of

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the great Buddhist logician at the time

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of Christ named Nagarjuna and what he

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said is that your cell friends all dude

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Aristotle as Aristotle said that a thing

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is either true or it's not true it's

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either a book or it's not a book that's

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it Aristotle said this he taught the

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famous law of the excluded middle there

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is no middle ground

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and what Nagarjuna said is that almost

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everything is neither true nor not true

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so a lot of fighting in the world is

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between people who think that I've got

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the answer and you have the wrong answer

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and there's no answer other than the one

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that I have and that creates for a lot

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of suffering for everybody remind

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I was just going to say it reminds me of

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a famous answer that you gave on another

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podcast when someone asked you a

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question about flying saucers or UFOs

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you ApS whatever you want to call them

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and you said

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very calmly well I'm sure that something

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like that is true something like that

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and I never forget that that was a good

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answer yeah on the subject of flying

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saucers I'm sure there is something like

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flying saucers and I'm sure the

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government is lying about that those are

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two things that I'm sure of

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well we're with you on that one Russell

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oh yeah I was gonna say don't you find

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that some people have just a more innate

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ability just as some people are a little

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bit better at music or art or certain

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aspects of humanity so I think what you

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probably are doing is really calling out

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the best of the best I get that

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impression from you for Asia from what

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you talk about these sessions that you

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attend for example yeah I certainly

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agree with that that some people are

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more psychic than others just as well as

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you said just with some people are more

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musical than others but if you'll

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remember when you were a girl everybody

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you knew had a piano in the living room

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right playing the piano was totally

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ordinary and especially every young lady

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was expected that should be able to read

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music and play except ibly so we would

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say we would say that somehow in the

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1930s and 40s

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remote viewing was ubiquitous everybody

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has the ability and somehow the ability

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has gone away and now only special

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people play the piano how could that be

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and the reason is because there was a

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time where there was no television no

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radio the only entertainment you had was

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gathered around the piano that's correct

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and everybody could play somewhat and we

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all recognize that some people play

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better than others I was advised to take

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up the drums so but yeah absolutely

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but there's this one figure that

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Ferruccio was talking to me about and he

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seems like he was extremely accomplished

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a mr. Pat Price

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our path price is probably the greatest

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psychic that we ever saw he was a

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retired police commissioner from the

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city of Burbank and his first remote he

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called us up and said I've been hearing

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about your work some of the stuff was

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published some was secret and what we

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had were geographical coordinates of

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something or other that our CIA contract

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matter had given us and we said well

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we'll give you these coordinates we

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don't know what they pertain to but you

401
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can look I was just suddenly surprised a

402
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large black cat just leaked up on my

403
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desk and then stole my thought for me

404
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maybe it's all Burt you're familiar

405
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that's right I have half price let me do

406
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this in spirit he's with us he knows how

407
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interested I am in his life as a as a

408
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psychic remote viewer he he was really

409
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he was really top-notch so you were

410
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given dysphoria so he sat down at a

411
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table and said this looks like some sort

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of military facility I see American flag

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and looked like a Mikey base and there's

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some buildings on the left and most of

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the stuff is underground I see some

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green filing cabinets and in the filing

417
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cabinets there a bunch of files and

418
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they're about pool and it says cue ball

419
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8 ball rack up that's the kind of stuff

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I see and we said thank you very much of

421
00:22:08,169 --> 00:22:04,010
course doesn't make any sense at all but

422
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thank you officer for calling out and

423
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giving us this meaningless information

424
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but we'll pass it on the CIA and see

425
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what they say it turns out that the

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target

427
00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:22,640
was actually a log cabin in West

428
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Virginia that one of the CIA guys had

429
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:31,910
built however about a hundred yards away

430
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with the entrance to a super-secret

431
00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:41,600
national security agency a site that I'm

432
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hesitating hirako I'm trying to remember

433
00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:53,990
how our contract monitor kick green or I

434
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think that he was able to look look at

435
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:02,570
the look of the map they the classified

436
00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:07,850
map at the CIA is it whydid Ingo Swann

437
00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:10,030
and Half Price

438
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described this military base is there

439
00:23:20,410 --> 00:23:16,790
military base or a Nike base and they

440
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could see that the entrance to a secret

441
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:23,810
base was about a hundred yards past this

442
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guy's cabin so Kip green went there

443
00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:30,800
because it obviously wasn't described in

444
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the cabin but he was very interested

445
00:23:38,980 --> 00:23:35,540
that two different psychics in

446
00:23:41,620 --> 00:23:38,990
California described the same erroneous

447
00:23:44,820 --> 00:23:41,630
thing but he got there and he saw that

448
00:23:51,010 --> 00:23:44,830
it was a look like a Nike base had big

449
00:23:53,050 --> 00:23:51,020
antennas there had a building he talked

450
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to the owner of the facility which was

451
00:24:00,760 --> 00:23:56,570
the NSA and yes indeed we do have flying

452
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:00,770
capitis downstairs and an ongoing

453
00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:04,910
program was called cueball hopefully so

454
00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:07,070
what that price was able to do is

455
00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:10,520
psychically reach into the safe 3,000

456
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miles away and come up with top-secret

457
00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:17,440
active code words for ongoing programs

458
00:24:25,450 --> 00:24:21,340
now that caused a huge amount of problem

459
00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:25,460
for our contract monitor the NSA wants

460
00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:28,750
to know why are you with the CIA

461
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:30,980
targeting psychics on our

462
00:24:37,270 --> 00:24:33,049
secret site that's certainly not a very

463
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:37,280
smart thing to do and then the CIA and

464
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:40,880
the NSA came to California and said what

465
00:24:47,380 --> 00:24:45,440
do you do guys doing describing a secret

466
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:47,390
facility with code words where you were

467
00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:51,290
supposed to describe a guy's log cabin

468
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well why did you do that

469
00:24:59,980 --> 00:24:57,620
and what Pat price said is well the more

470
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you hide something the more shines like

471
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a beacon in psychic space Wow you may

472
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:06,919
have sent us to a log cabin but once

473
00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:09,290
we're in psychic space in that

474
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:13,220
neighborhood certainly this NSA site is

475
00:25:19,980 --> 00:25:15,970
going to be the most exciting thing

476
00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:19,990
around and that's why we described us

477
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and and we got to successfully renew our

478
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program probably several years of

479
00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:31,820
renewals came by the fact that we could

480
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reach into a facility and read the place

481
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no how long did price work with you he

482
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worked with us about two years after the

483
00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:50,480
NSA caper we we then went to the CIA and

484
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wanted an ongoing program and the

485
00:25:59,260 --> 00:25:56,600
director of intelligence John McMahon

486
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who was head of intelligence at the CIA

487
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interviewed us and he liked the data we

488
00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:04,790
saw and he knew about our success with

489
00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:05,630
the NSA

490
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:09,620
he said well we'll support you if you

491
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:13,490
could describe a situs of national

492
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:14,530
security

493
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,650
consequence outside of the US we needed

494
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,440
we have a place in Russia that we really

495
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:23,840
need to know about so two weeks later

496
00:26:31,539 --> 00:26:27,890
another CIA guy came to our lab gave me

497
00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:31,549
coordinates latitude and longitude and I

498
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:33,830
went into my shielded room with Pat

499
00:26:40,380 --> 00:26:36,530
price shielded room was like a phone

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booth covered with screen screening and

501
00:26:46,930 --> 00:26:43,850
price said well I'm psychically

502
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[Music]

503
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:49,530
that's my computer telling me what time

504
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:50,100
it is

505
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,179
that's always the replace says I'm

506
00:26:59,360 --> 00:26:56,760
psychic rely on top of a building here

507
00:27:02,480 --> 00:26:59,370
there's a huge crane rolling back and

508
00:27:05,270 --> 00:27:02,490
forth and over my body it feels very

509
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:05,280
nice lie out in the Sun and this crane

510
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:07,260
is the biggest crane I've ever seen it's

511
00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:11,970
like a giant a-frame crane has four

512
00:27:17,539 --> 00:27:13,950
wheel each side of the building and he

513
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:17,549
drew a picture of that crane and all of

514
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:19,620
this Russian stuff is described in my

515
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:22,880
book the reality of ESP it's finally

516
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:27,419
Declassified after 25 years so I'm able

517
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:30,059
to assure the whole story and show the

518
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,049
Declassified pictures so you and see you

519
00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:36,720
and so his description of the crane was

520
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,830
correct CIA said well can you look in

521
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:42,539
the building I'll see what they're doing

522
00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:45,770
and he described that they're making a

523
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:48,750
giant steel sphere about 60 feet in

524
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:51,030
diameter that they're welding together

525
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:54,030
out of orange peel slices and that was

526
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:57,179
all entirely correct metal orange peeled

527
00:28:04,899 --> 00:28:01,020
slices yes and we didn't get to see that

528
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:04,909
see the crane was known about by the CIA

529
00:28:12,010 --> 00:28:07,049
but of course we didn't know about it

530
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:12,020
was a top-secret satellite photograph

531
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:15,690
which they showed us after prices

532
00:28:20,779 --> 00:28:18,030
description but they didn't know

533
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:20,789
anything about the giant sphere until

534
00:28:26,659 --> 00:28:24,059
two years later it appeared in Aviation

535
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:26,669
Week and after that but price had

536
00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:29,340
already died so there was no place for

537
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:33,260
place to go to get that information and

538
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:39,900
that's he would go see we live in a in a

539
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:42,539
different world than most people see

540
00:28:55,090 --> 00:28:46,440
it's reasonable for me to say well here

541
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:55,100
we are in 1975 I could ask price in 1975

542
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:56,820
can you look at

543
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:01,840
week in 1977 they've got the answer to

544
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:04,720
the question we want just go ahead two

545
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:06,130
years and tell me what's in that

546
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:09,400
magazine that's not yet published but

547
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:12,850
that's okay and that would seem to us to

548
00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:15,670
be a reasonable request we didn't do

549
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:21,430
that but Wow we could say that one of

550
00:29:26,370 --> 00:29:22,780
the ways if you get the information

551
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:26,380
about the various spheres in Russia is

552
00:29:32,790 --> 00:29:29,770
to go to Soviet Siberia psychically and

553
00:29:36,620 --> 00:29:32,800
describe what's in the building that's

554
00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:36,630
awesome what he was doing but it's not

555
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:40,390
from our mystical point of view it's not

556
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:44,350
out of the question to say well if you

557
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:47,260
can't look into the future I misspoke if

558
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:50,010
you can't go to Russia where nobody

559
00:29:56,250 --> 00:29:53,260
knows the answer maybe you can look into

560
00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:56,260
the future in the end the answer book or

561
00:30:02,240 --> 00:29:59,650
look into my reality VSP book which is

562
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:02,250
republish 20 years later

563
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:05,880
the information is all over the place

564
00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:09,490
right for example we found a downed

565
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:13,390
airplane for Jimmy Carter and that had

566
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:17,170
not been published anywhere until he

567
00:30:24,450 --> 00:30:19,330
wrote his biography he wrote his

568
00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:24,460
autobiography last year and can I read

569
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:26,380
you a paragraph from Jimmy Carter's

570
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:30,790
autobiography absolutely as we he asked

571
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:36,880
our contract monitor in 1980 so there's

572
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:39,010
a downed Russian airplane the

573
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,130
reconnaissance plane full of interesting

574
00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:45,360
hardware and full of secret code books

575
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:50,200
it's in northern Africa and we can't

576
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,360
find it with satellite photography cos

577
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:55,840
in the jungle so we have no we're flying

578
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:57,970
over we're looking with photograph with

579
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:00,640
satellites and can't find it can you

580
00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:04,390
find it and the answer was yes and what

581
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:08,380
Jimmy Carter says it a little chapter

582
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,310
called clear voice

583
00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:13,200
he says there was another experience

584
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:16,440
that I've never told anybody about one

585
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:19,710
morning as a report from the CIA the

586
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:22,560
small twin-engine Russian plane had gone

587
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:26,070
down somewhere near as I air and that it

588
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:28,260
contained very important secret

589
00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:30,930
documents and hardware we were searching

590
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:32,820
for the crash using satellite

591
00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:35,850
photography and some other surreptitious

592
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:39,320
high-altitude but with no success

593
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:42,930
because it was in the jungle so some

594
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:47,130
hesitancy the CIA agent in California

595
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:49,020
recommended the service of a clairvoyant

596
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,050
woman who we then can solve it she wrote

597
00:31:59,780 --> 00:31:57,120
down the latitude and longitude which

598
00:32:02,540 --> 00:31:59,790
proved to be accurate and three days

599
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:02,550
later I was shown a photograph of the

600
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:05,130
plane totally destroyed in a remote area

601
00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:08,220
and without notifying to the every

602
00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:11,280
government booboo - we sent a small team

603
00:32:16,030 --> 00:32:14,160
by helicopter recovered the documents

604
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:16,040
and the bodies of the playing soccer

605
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:17,310
occupants

606
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:21,450
Wow so I was a good a testimony or

607
00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:23,850
whoever hi yeah it's very impressive

608
00:32:29,270 --> 00:32:25,800
especially coming from someone like

609
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Carter who was sort of a regardless of

610
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:30,930
whatever else he certainly was no

611
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:31,770
nonsense

612
00:32:37,910 --> 00:32:35,700
and he knew science he was a scientist

613
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:37,920
himself I think he graduated first in

614
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:40,020
his class at Annapolis and he was the

615
00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:42,930
first Admiral or a head of whatever the

616
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:50,280
first United he was the commander of the

617
00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:53,370
first nuclear sub in this country it's

618
00:33:00,670 --> 00:32:57,420
amazing yep but I went to a book signing

619
00:33:03,650 --> 00:33:00,680
with him and got him to design the book

620
00:33:06,740 --> 00:33:03,660
just to find the page on which he wrote

621
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:06,750
that movie we just so we just we've just

622
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:09,480
made a movie about our exploits with

623
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:12,750
psychic spy I made a film called third

624
00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:17,790
our spies wonderful movie I saw a two

625
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:20,430
iterations of it just saw the second one

626
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:22,620
and I want to tell you that I endorsed

627
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:23,490
it

628
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:30,840
document besides being a very very

629
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:33,570
interesting and compelling movie it is

630
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:36,600
an incredible historical document that

631
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:40,380
will be referred to for as long as

632
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:42,840
people see movies and that was the third

633
00:33:49,580 --> 00:33:47,340
I spy yes you know coming at right you

634
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:49,590
can see coming attractions for that had

635
00:33:57,490 --> 00:33:52,950
its website which is third eye spies

636
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:57,500
calm the four minute coming attraction

637
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:00,120
it'll probably be in theaters versus a

638
00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:03,890
year we have a complete film now and

639
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:08,550
we're we showed it to a group of people

640
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:10,790
at a conference everybody loved the film

641
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,270
but the unanimous was our recommendation

642
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:17,520
is that we cut fifteen minutes from us

643
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:20,310
I don't know what which is what we're

644
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,129
gonna do okay I enjoyed every minute of

645
00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:26,280
it I just wanted more labels for people

646
00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:27,840
who didn't know the players if you

647
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:32,340
recall yeah in any case I have a

648
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:36,210
question you did you we worked as a

649
00:34:42,099 --> 00:34:39,899
contractor at SR I for various

650
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,109
government agencies including NASA

651
00:34:48,669 --> 00:34:44,879
including the CIA and the DIA

652
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:48,679
now this is a question I've asked other

653
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:51,480
remote viewers who have worked for the

654
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:55,379
government and was there ever any

655
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:02,880
tasking towards remote influencing I'm

656
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:06,510
not hesitating because the Russians were

657
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:08,730
very interested in remote influencing

658
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:12,170
during this period we were interested in

659
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:15,780
influence Loing information quiets your

660
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:18,690
mind tell me what's going on here are

661
00:35:24,830 --> 00:35:21,590
there in the past in the future far away

662
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:24,840
we're trying to inflow information the

663
00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:27,930
Russians were interested in remote

664
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:30,030
strangulations just something we talked

665
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:33,810
about our book and can you kill the

666
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:35,540
chickens in the disc

667
00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:40,130
the mother rabbit show up changing her

668
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:43,580
ESP when you kill her bunnies so the

669
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:50,829
distant modification behavior

670
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:53,300
modification that is not what we were

671
00:36:00,339 --> 00:35:56,839
doing I'm glad that there was no we

672
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,349
didn't some interest and can you affect

673
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:03,440
the computer that's running in the next

674
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:06,580
room and we spent a lot of money

675
00:36:12,849 --> 00:36:10,490
unsuccessfully trying to do that well

676
00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:12,859
you have to do to do that is have it

677
00:36:17,710 --> 00:36:14,990
print some document it's very very

678
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:17,720
important critical crucial that you need

679
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:19,609
in ten seconds that computer will go

680
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:24,740
haywire that's all but this is such a

681
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:27,680
fascinating thing to me I really know

682
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:30,280
the Americans were not interested in

683
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:36,470
so-called distant mental influence so

684
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:40,130
they didn't that we were not on their

685
00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:43,900
labs in America not working for the CIA

686
00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:46,580
we're very interested in distant metal

687
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:48,740
influence because it's very easy to do

688
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:53,510
if what you're working on if you have a

689
00:36:59,140 --> 00:36:56,570
a subject in a distant room and you're

690
00:37:03,820 --> 00:36:59,150
watching a her on television and then on

691
00:37:05,230 --> 00:37:03,830
a random schedule you'll see the picture

692
00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:05,240
of your subject and then you're supposed

693
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:09,230
to excite her or put her to sleep and

694
00:37:15,609 --> 00:37:11,089
what you're measuring is her brain waves

695
00:37:20,650 --> 00:37:15,619
or heart rate there's a whole literature

696
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:20,660
on this embezzle influence where you can

697
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:27,400
electrophysiology of a distant person

698
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:30,410
and that works court that works quite

699
00:37:32,359 --> 00:37:30,930
well

700
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:32,369
[Music]

701
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:37,330
we had done we had Stephen Prouty on on

702
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:39,970
a shattered reality a couple of months

703
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:44,170
ago and he is a big proponent of distant

704
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:46,990
mental influencing I suppose you may be

705
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:52,930
aware of that she's a very good guest as

706
00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:55,570
is that almost like hypnosis it's not a

707
00:38:00,450 --> 00:37:57,430
different thing I think it's it's not

708
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:00,460
because a person person is just relaxed

709
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:05,230
in the laboratory and then the subject

710
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:08,290
the active person on a random schedule

711
00:38:14,579 --> 00:38:12,310
will say excite this person or relax the

712
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,589
person and you have very clear

713
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:16,960
indications of changes in their heart

714
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:23,220
rate or skin resistance that's a very

715
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:27,520
improper RA UD wrote a book called just

716
00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:35,280
moving back to but that's not what we

717
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,880
were doing we were basically doing spa

718
00:38:44,609 --> 00:38:42,160
doing spying during their our 20-year

719
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:44,619
program we were in flowing we're

720
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:48,160
interested in in flowing information and

721
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:51,609
even after I left SR I I was in influent

722
00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:53,950
information about the stock market we

723
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:55,480
wanted to know the market is going to go

724
00:39:03,500 --> 00:38:58,210
off her down and we did that very

725
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:03,510
successfully but for nine weeks we

726
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:06,010
forecast with the silver market would go

727
00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:09,580
up a little up a lot down a little down

728
00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:12,460
and loss and we made nine forecasts in

729
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:15,790
the market and we were successful with

730
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,970
our precognitive investing nine times in

731
00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:20,320
a row made one hundred and twenty

732
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:22,300
thousand dollars nice okay you know

733
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:27,490
that's the book and we're again and

734
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,670
again and my book 3 hello VSP we

735
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:33,180
describe how to do that with a friend

736
00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:37,660
how to set up what we call associated

737
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,380
remote viewing well you see you can't

738
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,599
actually read the big come up board at

739
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:44,800
the commodity exchange

740
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:48,000
you can't say well here we are on

741
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,470
Saturday what is what's it going to say

742
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:53,460
the silver is doing a week from today

743
00:40:00,420 --> 00:39:56,910
because very hard to read psychically

744
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:00,430
but you can arrange for the broker there

745
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:05,410
for objects of his choosing and one of

746
00:40:10,530 --> 00:40:07,210
them will be an OP object one of the

747
00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:10,540
down object and based on what the market

748
00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:13,720
does he will then send me one of those

749
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:16,600
four objects so if I were interviewing

750
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,920
you I say here we are next Friday I am a

751
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:23,680
hand you an interesting object I have no

752
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:24,910
idea what it is

753
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:27,490
tell me about what I'm gonna hand you

754
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:29,830
next Friday there's nothing to do with

755
00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:33,460
the silver market and you will say I see

756
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:36,760
a cylinder it looks like it's made of

757
00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:40,990
glass is a plain glass cylinder and it

758
00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:43,360
has a nice smell to it this sort of

759
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:46,500
smells like flipcard sweet perfume I

760
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:48,990
think that's a very nice description

761
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:53,230
I'll see you next week and then I call

762
00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:56,830
John a broker and say what are your

763
00:41:03,630 --> 00:40:59,980
objects for today he said well I've got

764
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:03,640
a teddy bear a book a little perfume

765
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:07,990
vial and a coffee cup and it won't looks

766
00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:10,960
to me like my viewer described a perfume

767
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:11,560
vial

768
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,740
what does that mean and he said well

769
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:17,440
then that corresponds to down a lot that

770
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:20,710
was my random assignment so that if the

771
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:23,890
market goes down a lot he would didn't

772
00:41:30,810 --> 00:41:27,330
send me the perfume vial so based on

773
00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:30,820
based on your remote smelling we would

774
00:41:37,290 --> 00:41:34,540
sell silver next three days silver goes

775
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:37,300
down he will send me the perfume while

776
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:41,140
you get that for feedback and and some

777
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:43,930
of the money of that work that did not

778
00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:46,330
work the following year for a number of

779
00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:51,220
reasons one of them is our investors who

780
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:53,080
shared their winnings with me wanted to

781
00:41:59,720 --> 00:41:56,250
do it twice as frequently and that it

782
00:42:02,800 --> 00:41:59,730
with the feedback because they needed

783
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:02,810
the information before we got feedback

784
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,850
for the previous trial so we're always

785
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:08,880
run ahead and that did not work we're

786
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:12,960
focusing on the money rather than the

787
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:15,690
experience about six to eight months ago

788
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:18,540
I was trying to convince miss Kate

789
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:22,830
Valentine and our engineer bill to get

790
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:26,040
into a scheme like that with me and I I

791
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:28,140
tried to explain it to them and they

792
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:30,660
were as somewhat interested but unable

793
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:32,730
to get the whole act together

794
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:39,690
unfortunately but I'm still willing what

795
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:42,780
can be done it can be done there's a

796
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:44,850
whole organization

797
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:47,910
the two organizations actually one of

798
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:52,830
them is a big group of retired army

799
00:42:58,850 --> 00:42:56,390
officers who formed organization called

800
00:43:02,690 --> 00:42:58,860
international remote viewing Association

801
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,700
IR VA and these are principally people

802
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:05,520
who are interested in using remote

803
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:08,550
viewing for different things finding

804
00:43:16,310 --> 00:43:11,730
those children are gambling on sporting

805
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:16,320
events investing in the stock market the

806
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:18,930
other remote viewing organization is

807
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,690
called the pro psychology foundation and

808
00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:23,280
they're interested in determining

809
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,580
whether ESP is real so you have the

810
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,560
scientists who aren't sure whether it's

811
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:31,440
real and you got the investors who were

812
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,350
using it to make money so the so getting

813
00:43:43,850 --> 00:43:40,380
back to mr. Pat price and reading things

814
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,860
he and Ingo Swann were to remote viewers

815
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:46,560
who ostensibly could actually read some

816
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:47,880
things am I right about that

817
00:43:54,620 --> 00:43:52,310
Oh Pat price could read things and

818
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:54,630
occasionally we regular could read the

819
00:44:04,090 --> 00:43:59,520
Ariella okay god got anger could not

820
00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:04,100
read stuff now sometimes now with

821
00:44:08,349 --> 00:44:08,070
near-death experience their reading of

822
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:08,359
the

823
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:11,599
not analytic ability those remote

824
00:44:18,339 --> 00:44:14,930
viewing pertains to your experience of

825
00:44:22,569 --> 00:44:18,349
shape and form it is a kind of natural

826
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:22,579
ability for you to say something green

827
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,170
and round has come into my awareness but

828
00:44:32,249 --> 00:44:28,880
if what somebody is written down as a

829
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:32,259
word that's really an analytic

830
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:34,730
artificial thing and your brain really

831
00:44:41,049 --> 00:44:37,369
isn't wired up to do that psychically

832
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:41,059
it's a symbol rather than an actual an

833
00:44:46,930 --> 00:44:44,450
actual thing and some people who are

834
00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:46,940
trying to prove or disprove as the case

835
00:44:55,329 --> 00:44:51,109
may be the out-of-body experience of

836
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,339
near-death have put numbers and stuff up

837
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:57,920
on ledges towards the top of the room of

838
00:45:03,460 --> 00:45:00,440
medical facilities where people are

839
00:45:05,769 --> 00:45:03,470
having a cardiac arrest and that's

840
00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:05,779
apparently the easiest place to find

841
00:45:10,450 --> 00:45:08,630
somebody who has a memory of a

842
00:45:14,549 --> 00:45:10,460
near-death experience going out-of-body

843
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:14,559
Carly Turk did that charley is a very

844
00:45:20,859 --> 00:45:17,420
experienced remote viewing researcher

845
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:20,869
and there are rivers in states of

846
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:23,960
consciousness person and he was very

847
00:45:30,579 --> 00:45:26,230
interested in out-of-body experiences

848
00:45:34,499 --> 00:45:30,589
quite a number of years ago and he had a

849
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:34,509
woman really tethered to a complicated

850
00:45:43,390 --> 00:45:38,210
brainwave gadget and then over her head

851
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:43,400
in the bed out of you obviously he in a

852
00:45:51,609 --> 00:45:47,900
six digit number and he interviewed her

853
00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:51,619
hidden about her states of consciousness

854
00:45:58,539 --> 00:45:55,160
and eventually she named off the number

855
00:46:00,249 --> 00:45:58,549
which he could read amazing so that was

856
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:00,259
a little different than remote viewing

857
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:04,640
apparently well there's really a

858
00:46:10,509 --> 00:46:07,369
continuum from remote viewing to

859
00:46:12,190 --> 00:46:10,519
out-of-body in remote viewing nobody

860
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:12,200
ever has a bad experience

861
00:46:18,339 --> 00:46:14,950
remote viewing you quiet your mind and

862
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,349
read what's going on and on the

863
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:21,920
television the screen in your awareness

864
00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:25,760
and in a out of body experience you're

865
00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:29,800
able to bring with you as much earlier

866
00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:33,800
emotionality sensitivity sexuality as

867
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:36,200
you're comfortable with we can bring

868
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:39,020
more more of yourself into the targets

869
00:46:43,930 --> 00:46:42,170
right and as a result you're more

870
00:46:47,110 --> 00:46:43,940
available to have a frightening

871
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:47,120
experience yes now I I'm just a

872
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:50,210
physicist so in the laboratory if

873
00:46:56,050 --> 00:46:53,930
somebody freaks out and goes to the

874
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,060
management the tark separated my

875
00:47:00,610 --> 00:46:58,880
consciousness from my body and I can't

876
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:00,620
get together again that would be the end

877
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:04,610
of the program nothing so so we didn't

878
00:47:10,750 --> 00:47:07,730
do that but in working with very

879
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:10,760
experienced people they've been hella

880
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,120
Hamid was brought into they control

881
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,880
subject and it turned out she was one of

882
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:18,560
those reliable people we ever worked

883
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:22,850
with and I knew her quite well so from

884
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:25,760
time to time I could ask her in a remote

885
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:29,180
viewing situation where I'm God in all

886
00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:32,600
of these things I'm guiding a person to

887
00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:35,120
a destination or which I have no

888
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:41,420
knowledge so what one day the CIA had

889
00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:46,160
just surprised of like you today to

890
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:48,590
describe Brezhnev's office and the

891
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:53,330
Kremlin's Wow I said okay I understand

892
00:47:58,620 --> 00:47:56,030
what that means the hell out I got

893
00:48:01,600 --> 00:47:58,630
together in my little shielded room and

894
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:01,610
said well I guess we're going to Moscow

895
00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:04,570
we're gonna describe Brezhnev's office

896
00:48:15,130 --> 00:48:10,820
and she said okay take a deep breath I'm

897
00:48:17,860 --> 00:48:15,140
walking down a wall I'm walking down a

898
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:17,870
hallway and at the end of the hallway I

899
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:24,050
see a door as a round top door covered

900
00:48:30,310 --> 00:48:27,050
with leather leather is held in place my

901
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:30,320
breath of pull upholstery tacks that's

902
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:33,470
what I get that's pretty specific and I

903
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,450
said to myself well

904
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:38,000
that's pretty specific but what we

905
00:48:43,390 --> 00:48:40,010
actually want to know is what's inside

906
00:48:47,319 --> 00:48:43,400
so I said okay hell I'll open the door

907
00:48:54,010 --> 00:48:47,329
and we can see what's inside and this is

908
00:48:58,299 --> 00:48:54,020
like a realistic dream or what do they

909
00:49:01,329 --> 00:48:58,309
call the dream lucid dream well I go

910
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:01,339
open the door for her and she's at the I

911
00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:04,609
see the doors open but it's dark I said

912
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:06,230
all right I'll turn on the lights she'll

913
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:08,750
be able to see what's going on and his

914
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:11,290
oh I see I see what's going on here

915
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:14,750
their windows right in front of me

916
00:49:20,589 --> 00:49:18,170
looking out on Red Square well the right

917
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:20,599
is a great big desk a big wooden desk

918
00:49:28,299 --> 00:49:23,930
covered with glass and behind the desk

919
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:28,309
there's a door caught into a wooden wall

920
00:49:39,490 --> 00:49:32,660
behind the desk and it will that sounds

921
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:39,500
fine why don't we open that door and we

922
00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:42,380
opened the door and we found that we're

923
00:49:48,609 --> 00:49:45,230
walking out a stairway and there were

924
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:48,619
computer bays in front of us and I began

925
00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:52,329
to feel frightened I don't have a

926
00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:55,750
security clearance to be inside the

927
00:50:01,870 --> 00:49:59,150
security bays in the Kremlin that seemed

928
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:01,880
to me like a bad place for us to be so I

929
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:03,170
said I think we've got enough

930
00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:05,030
information let's get outta here

931
00:50:14,049 --> 00:50:08,980
and we enter the session heads of coffee

932
00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:14,059
but that's the case where we were

933
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:17,240
actively doing stuff at the distance and

934
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:20,690
all of the two years later I had

935
00:50:26,109 --> 00:50:24,049
resigned to the program and was invited

936
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:26,119
to give a lecture to the Soviet Academy

937
00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:28,940
of Science in the Kremlin it turned out

938
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:32,180
and they said is there anything you'd

939
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:35,510
like to see as long as we're here I said

940
00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:39,710
yeah I'd like to see Leonid Brezhnev's

941
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:42,020
office I don't have to talk to Brezhnev

942
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:44,450
but it would be very exciting for me to

943
00:50:49,329 --> 00:50:47,450
just have a peek it is what is like the

944
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:49,339
equivalent of the Oval Office

945
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:53,209
I imagine so they took me down the hall

946
00:51:00,999 --> 00:50:58,130
I saw the girl with the covered with red

947
00:51:03,429 --> 00:51:01,009
leather we walked inside red squares on

948
00:51:06,269 --> 00:51:03,439
the left the desk on the right I did not

949
00:51:09,999 --> 00:51:06,279
ask them to take me down behind the desk

950
00:51:12,429 --> 00:51:10,009
but everything that I saw everything

951
00:51:14,949 --> 00:51:12,439
right everything that I saw was a

952
00:51:17,999 --> 00:51:14,959
perfect match for what she described in

953
00:51:24,419 --> 00:51:18,009
her about doing so that would be like a

954
00:51:27,969 --> 00:51:24,429
continuation from an ordinary sanitary

955
00:51:31,449 --> 00:51:27,979
remote-viewing tell me what's on your

956
00:51:34,179 --> 00:51:31,459
metal screen do let's go there open the

957
00:51:38,169 --> 00:51:34,189
door turn on the lights go down the

958
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:38,179
hallway so you can bring as much of your

959
00:51:45,249 --> 00:51:42,140
curiosity with you as you'd like but the

960
00:51:46,659 --> 00:51:45,259
more curiosity you bring with you the

961
00:51:49,059 --> 00:51:46,669
more likely you are to find a

962
00:51:53,949 --> 00:51:49,069
frightening experience right

963
00:51:56,349 --> 00:51:53,959
I mean Aleister Crowley wrote two books

964
00:51:59,620 --> 00:51:56,359
where he talks about sex on the Austral

965
00:52:00,819 --> 00:51:59,630
plane and McKinley Cantor wrote a book

966
00:52:06,009 --> 00:52:00,829
about that as well

967
00:52:09,669 --> 00:52:06,019
so the a and Bob Monroe yes so the idea

968
00:52:13,209 --> 00:52:09,679
that you can interact with a person in

969
00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:13,219
this location there's a lot of a lot of

970
00:52:20,769 --> 00:52:15,380
evidence that distant locate

971
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:20,779
interactionism location does occur that

972
00:52:25,299 --> 00:52:23,209
would just not be an appropriate thing

973
00:52:28,299 --> 00:52:25,309
for me to be doing in my laboratory at

974
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:28,309
Stanford Research Institute because I

975
00:52:33,659 --> 00:52:31,640
could not I don't have the skill to deal

976
00:52:38,529 --> 00:52:33,669
with a person who's having a bad trip

977
00:52:41,259 --> 00:52:38,539
well yes in your opinion Russell would

978
00:52:44,439 --> 00:52:41,269
you say that there are still deep black

979
00:52:49,209 --> 00:52:44,449
programs going on I mean just as an

980
00:52:51,249 --> 00:52:49,219
opinion and remote viewing my opinion is

981
00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:51,259
that there's still programs going on at

982
00:52:58,929 --> 00:52:55,390
the CIA because why wouldn't there be I

983
00:53:03,410 --> 00:52:58,939
mean for example during my program in

984
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:03,420
the first decade CIA

985
00:53:10,819 --> 00:53:08,130
in people onto them in our program and

986
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:10,829
learn reviewing and they then went back

987
00:53:17,749 --> 00:53:13,470
to the CIA and we're doing remote

988
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:17,759
viewing with Pat price and that was all

989
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:20,730
news to me until the contract monitor

990
00:53:25,249 --> 00:53:23,640
described it in the film so actually I

991
00:53:27,859 --> 00:53:25,259
learned a lot of things about the

992
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:27,869
program in this film that I had never

993
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:30,839
known before and the Navy had their

994
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:32,730
separate program if I'm not mistaken

995
00:53:37,999 --> 00:53:35,369
isn't that the case the Navy also had a

996
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:38,009
program where we were doing brain wave

997
00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:41,579
experiments where again the hellah was

998
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:44,190
the remote viewer sitting in a shielded

999
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:49,380
room and I was in a distant room and it

1000
00:53:54,670 --> 00:53:50,940
was set up so that lights would be

1001
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:54,680
flashed in my eyes from time to time and

1002
00:54:00,019 --> 00:53:57,450
what we observed is that hello would get

1003
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,029
knocked out of alpha during those

1004
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:02,400
periods where I had the obnoxious light

1005
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:03,930
flashes in my face

1006
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:06,529
interesting interesting only seems to

1007
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:09,930
reinforce the idea that I had that you

1008
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:13,500
were a very good lubricant in the whole

1009
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:17,670
of process of remote viewing just having

1010
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:20,700
you there seemed to make it a lot more

1011
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:25,710
easy to do then with another individual

1012
00:54:30,529 --> 00:54:27,990
so yeah I'm clearly one of the more

1013
00:54:33,759 --> 00:54:30,539
successful wrote our remote Huey

1014
00:54:40,460 --> 00:54:33,769
investigated Maryland slits was also

1015
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,470
successful so is Charlie tart and that

1016
00:54:45,609 --> 00:54:42,420
number of others yeah they're both

1017
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:45,619
they're both very good people that I

1018
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:48,660
oddly both had the opportunity to speak

1019
00:54:55,789 --> 00:54:52,650
to briefly when I was at the Monroe

1020
00:55:00,140 --> 00:54:55,799
Institute professional division yearly

1021
00:55:03,499 --> 00:55:00,150
meetings and they were guests Charlie

1022
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:03,509
was a guest by video and Marilyn

1023
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:07,500
actually came to Virginia to to meet

1024
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:11,430
with us so frustrated I had a lifelong

1025
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:15,050
interest in psychic stuff my vision has

1026
00:55:21,340 --> 00:55:18,230
always been very poor so I think that as

1027
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:21,350
a child I got interested in magic to the

1028
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:25,010
kind of remote sensing and then I could

1029
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:28,570
go to magic shows on 42nd Street as a

1030
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:33,050
young teenager and by magic tricks from

1031
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:36,010
the magic shops professional magic shops

1032
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:40,790
so I was then did magic shows so I was

1033
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:44,720
really into fooling people sleight of

1034
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:46,990
hand

1035
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:51,890
illusions until I was a teenager began

1036
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:54,590
to discover that there was such a thing

1037
00:56:01,420 --> 00:55:57,890
as a parapsychology Association and the

1038
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:01,430
American Society ASPR American Society

1039
00:56:06,790 --> 00:56:04,010
for psychical research so the young

1040
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:06,800
scientist I gave up my magical career

1041
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:10,630
and began to read journals about the

1042
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:14,480
researchers who are actually doing magic

1043
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:18,020
in the laboratory well that is just a

1044
00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:19,940
fascinating turn of events and

1045
00:56:26,110 --> 00:56:23,270
especially lucky for us to have had you

1046
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:26,120
on I would like to ask you one or two

1047
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:29,230
more questions while one is to just

1048
00:56:36,490 --> 00:56:33,470
unfortunately tell us the ending which I

1049
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:36,500
sort of know already of poor mr. price I

1050
00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:38,930
think our our listeners would be

1051
00:56:48,070 --> 00:56:42,260
interested in hearing how he ended his

1052
00:56:50,170 --> 00:56:48,080
life well as a mystery that is although

1053
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:50,180
John McMahon said that if you're

1054
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:52,490
successful describing our distant place

1055
00:57:00,940 --> 00:56:56,930
then we'll support your work we can't

1056
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,950
believe what the CIA tells us any more

1057
00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:02,960
than you would think that the CIA always

1058
00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:06,260
tells you the truth that price was

1059
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:09,590
extraordinarily successful and we now

1060
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:12,650
understand that he was so successful

1061
00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:15,020
that he really scared the hell out of

1062
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:19,550
the CIA it is he the CIA was not

1063
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:22,700
comfortable having Superman work for a

1064
00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:25,250
bunch of hippies in California the

1065
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,180
concern

1066
00:57:32,740 --> 00:57:28,880
maybe this person could quiet his mind

1067
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:32,750
and read the numbers on a card the

1068
00:57:40,510 --> 00:57:37,369
president has to fire nuclear weapons if

1069
00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:40,520
the secret secret codes for weapon

1070
00:57:50,049 --> 00:57:46,520
firing and Targ and Puthoff re now

1071
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:50,059
suitable people for conducting such a

1072
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:54,650
dangerous person so right after our

1073
00:58:00,099 --> 00:57:56,660
description of the soviet weapon site

1074
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,109
the CIA made him an offer that he

1075
00:58:04,809 --> 00:58:02,720
apparently couldn't refuse brought him

1076
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:04,819
to West Virginia where they set him up

1077
00:58:11,130 --> 00:58:08,329
running a farm and he then was doing

1078
00:58:17,230 --> 00:58:11,140
day-to-day remote viewing for the CIA

1079
00:58:19,569 --> 00:58:17,240
for a few months and then he died and no

1080
00:58:22,569 --> 00:58:19,579
but no one knows what no one knows the

1081
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:22,579
cause of his death because no autopsy

1082
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:27,470
was done now I wonder is it in an effort

1083
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:31,670
to smear his reputation that he was

1084
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:35,930
linked in with the Scientology people or

1085
00:58:41,470 --> 00:58:38,930
was he really scientology member or he

1086
00:58:46,660 --> 00:58:41,480
was an enthusiastic Scientologist okay

1087
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:46,670
and no doubt about that and a couple of

1088
00:58:54,220 --> 00:58:50,630
years after he died it became known that

1089
00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:54,230
he was passing on transcripts of his

1090
00:59:02,519 --> 00:58:57,700
remote viewing from the CIA to his

1091
00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:02,529
auditor at the Scientology Church oh so

1092
00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:05,990
so he was really a double agent in a

1093
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:08,900
certain sense that he was working for

1094
00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:12,640
the CIA by passing on information to the

1095
00:59:19,059 --> 00:59:14,900
Scientologists and we know that for a

1096
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:19,069
fact we can recover the yang because

1097
00:59:27,849 --> 00:59:21,049
there was a break-in to the CIA

1098
00:59:31,569 --> 00:59:27,859
in 1977 where they found the documents

1099
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:31,579
from his day-to-day communications with

1100
00:59:39,269 --> 00:59:35,420
them interesting no your associate

1101
00:59:44,370 --> 00:59:39,279
former associate helped put off he had

1102
00:59:48,449 --> 00:59:44,380
mentioned that pet price had found some

1103
00:59:51,659 --> 00:59:48,459
a UFO bases around the country around

1104
00:59:55,140 --> 00:59:51,669
the world and and and then how

1105
00:59:57,059 --> 00:59:55,150
apparently told the people in Australia

1106
00:59:58,559 --> 00:59:57,069
that there was one there and they said

1107
01:00:01,079 --> 00:59:58,569
they already knew about it is this

1108
01:00:05,699 --> 01:00:01,089
hearsay or do I have the story basically

1109
01:00:08,279 --> 01:00:05,709
correct there is a story something like

1110
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:08,289
that and I don't know if it's correct

1111
01:00:18,329 --> 01:00:13,689
there is hail and Pat were interested in

1112
01:00:21,689 --> 01:00:18,339
UFOs I was not like Alice in Wonderland

1113
01:00:25,579 --> 01:00:21,699
I can be Alice said that I can only deal

1114
01:00:32,399 --> 01:00:25,589
with one impossible thing at a time so I

1115
01:00:34,949 --> 01:00:32,409
simply wasn't involved there there was

1116
01:00:38,969 --> 01:00:34,959
there was some kind of investigation

1117
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:38,979
that path that Hale and tasks carried

1118
01:00:44,489 --> 01:00:42,729
out and I was not involved in that okay

1119
01:00:46,589 --> 01:00:44,499
I asked for the reasons it was not

1120
01:00:50,219 --> 01:00:46,599
hugely successful cuz I would obviously

1121
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,229
know about it but it was sort of a an

1122
01:00:54,479 --> 01:00:52,319
after-hours thing that they were doing

1123
01:00:57,689 --> 01:00:54,489
so we were both interested in the

1124
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:57,699
subject but I have no reason to believe

1125
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,400
that it was wildly successful because

1126
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:02,079
then it would be part of the project we

1127
01:01:08,459 --> 01:01:05,400
would have done something further I

1128
01:01:12,209 --> 01:01:08,469
simply ask because we do have a lot of

1129
01:01:15,769 --> 01:01:12,219
our listeners who are you you follow G

1130
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:15,779
type people and you know to maintain a

1131
01:01:23,999 --> 01:01:21,249
very avid interest in that so the good

1132
01:01:26,579 --> 01:01:24,009
news I can give you is that I don't know

1133
01:01:29,509 --> 01:01:26,589
anything about UFOs but I know for a

1134
01:01:32,819 --> 01:01:29,519
fact that you can expand your awareness

1135
01:01:36,149 --> 01:01:32,829
to fill the universe and describe

1136
01:01:40,589 --> 01:01:36,159
anything that's going on because ingo

1137
01:01:43,739 --> 01:01:40,599
had as one of those formal targets can

1138
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:43,749
you describe what Jupiter looks like we

1139
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:45,369
at NASA are going to be sending a

1140
01:01:52,380 --> 01:01:49,839
spacecraft there and six months we will

1141
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:52,390
have a spacecraft at Jupiter is there

1142
01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:53,470
anything interesting to

1143
01:02:00,720 --> 01:01:57,480
be seen and he said yes I see

1144
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:00,730
interesting an interesting ring it's a

1145
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:03,310
ring made of ice crystals it's not a

1146
01:02:13,380 --> 01:02:09,369
whole family of them like Saturn but I

1147
01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:13,390
see one very crystal clear ring around

1148
01:02:18,930 --> 01:02:16,180
Jupiter and you'll find that when you

1149
01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:18,940
get there and six months later they

1150
01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:22,750
found that extremely impressive

1151
01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:25,750
my feeling is simply that that life is

1152
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:28,510
ubiquitous in the universe and that's

1153
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:31,090
just the way I feel about it whether or

1154
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:32,710
not I don't know about life but

1155
01:02:37,980 --> 01:02:35,650
consciousness is okay you're here cuz I

1156
01:02:40,589 --> 01:02:37,990
wrote a book called limitless mind which

1157
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:40,599
really expresses what we're talking

1158
01:02:47,460 --> 01:02:43,510
about but the book that I wrote the

1159
01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:47,470
deals of the whole previously secret SLI

1160
01:02:52,589 --> 01:02:50,080
program is called the reality of ESP

1161
01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:52,599
which is really slam dunk

1162
01:02:57,690 --> 01:02:55,240
proving ESP I would say and I recommend

1163
01:03:01,079 --> 01:02:57,700
it to all of our listeners and I

1164
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:01,089
certainly hope that when your movie

1165
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:03,910
premieres in New York I certainly hope

1166
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:07,150
to be there because I think it's a real

1167
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:09,940
triumph for the field of remote viewing

1168
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:15,280
and an excellent document so you want to

1169
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:17,380
give us some of your your books again

1170
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:21,160
and tell us you know just in in closing

1171
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:24,490
about about the movie and what the

1172
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:26,680
comprehensive book to look at is called

1173
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:30,220
the reality of ESP and that is that's

1174
01:03:35,849 --> 01:03:32,770
the last book that I wrote and I had all

1175
01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:35,859
the clearances so I was now in that book

1176
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:38,920
I was able to include pictures of all

1177
01:03:44,010 --> 01:03:40,720
the stuff that had previously been a

1178
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:44,020
secret so that doesn't nice real live

1179
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:46,810
ESP is a nice summary of what we did for

1180
01:03:56,070 --> 01:03:51,250
a decade at Fri the movie is called

1181
01:03:58,530 --> 01:03:56,080
third eyes spies and you can see a four

1182
01:04:03,270 --> 01:03:58,540
minute coming attraction for that at the

1183
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:03,280
website third eye spies comm who

1184
01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:05,480
produces the movie

1185
01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:07,940
I produced the move agent and the

1186
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:11,630
director is Lance Mejia okay and that

1187
01:04:15,849 --> 01:04:14,240
and this will be shown in theaters as

1188
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:15,859
well yep

1189
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:18,170
about the plan plan is they have

1190
01:04:23,620 --> 01:04:20,930
theatrical release and then eventually

1191
01:04:27,130 --> 01:04:23,630
it'll be on television oh that's great

1192
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:27,140
well I can't recommend both of those

1193
01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:31,130
things enough both your books including

1194
01:04:38,590 --> 01:04:35,390
the reality of ESP for a couple of years

1195
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:38,600
I read and reread limitless mind because

1196
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:43,510
I found it to be and it was it was like

1197
01:04:48,609 --> 01:04:46,240
inspirational for me in my work and

1198
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:48,619
believing in myself and what I was doing

1199
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:51,369
as a reader as an intuitive reader and

1200
01:04:57,940 --> 01:04:55,010
it really gave me confidence that I

1201
01:05:00,760 --> 01:04:57,950
wouldn't have had otherwise and so I

1202
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:00,770
cannot begin to thank you enough for

1203
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:04,010
being with us today we are honored we

1204
01:05:09,849 --> 01:05:06,530
are privileged yes most definitely I

1205
01:05:11,530 --> 01:05:09,859
mean living legend so to speak well

1206
01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:11,540
thank you very much I'm very happy to

1207
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:13,190
share it with you lots of good questions

1208
01:05:19,330 --> 01:05:16,010
yeah thank you and and give my love to

1209
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:19,340
Patti and we're going to say what

1210
01:05:29,859 --> 01:05:27,430
Wow that was pretty fascinating that

1211
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,869
that's really your field I could really

1212
01:05:34,570 --> 01:05:32,240
ask him too many questions because I am

1213
01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:34,580
not as familiar with it as you are but

1214
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:37,670
it is pretty fascinating it is it is

1215
01:05:42,580 --> 01:05:40,400
just an amazing subject and I really

1216
01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:42,590
feel him when he says I can only deal

1217
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:46,070
with one impossible time because I was

1218
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:48,530
good that's a great quote just thinking

1219
01:05:55,060 --> 01:05:51,770
about what can be done with remote

1220
01:05:57,790 --> 01:05:55,070
viewing with out-of-body experience in

1221
01:06:02,200 --> 01:05:57,800
the sense of the way he guided hella

1222
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,210
Hameed into Brezhnev's office my own

1223
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:04,880
experience with going to the moon that

1224
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:08,000
time you got frightened I really got

1225
01:06:11,770 --> 01:06:10,310
frightened I I went I think I might have

1226
01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:11,780
said this already but I just felt

1227
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:16,510
repeated again I was very upset when

1228
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:19,930
the when NASA was going to explode a

1229
01:06:27,420 --> 01:06:24,640
bomb on the moon which was thing going

1230
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:27,430
to crash yeah that lemon pocket or miss

1231
01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:29,650
lemon which was going around they were

1232
01:06:36,299 --> 01:06:31,750
going to crash it into the moon for some

1233
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:36,309
reason it upset me a great deal I didn't

1234
01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:38,319
think they'd do that only work I was

1235
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:43,270
quite upset by that and I watched it on

1236
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,300
on TV in the morning on my computer I

1237
01:06:51,930 --> 01:06:48,640
think NASA had a like sort of semi live

1238
01:06:53,970 --> 01:06:51,940
feed and then I went back to bed to just

1239
01:06:58,980 --> 01:06:53,980
kind of rest and to think about it and I

1240
01:07:01,980 --> 01:06:58,990
began to almost not on purpose view the

1241
01:07:06,780 --> 01:07:01,990
moon I was meditating on the moon and I

1242
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:06,790
got there and somebody came up behind me

1243
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:09,520
as I was viewing something that looked

1244
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:12,609
like a disused railroad car it wasn't

1245
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:15,609
that exactly it was dark it was metal it

1246
01:07:20,579 --> 01:07:18,400
was obviously on some sort of a track

1247
01:07:23,579 --> 01:07:20,589
well it wasn't a natural form it was not

1248
01:07:26,190 --> 01:07:23,589
a natural formation no it was a card on

1249
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:26,200
a track sort of type of thing that's as

1250
01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:28,930
close as I could make of it and somebody

1251
01:07:35,789 --> 01:07:32,470
said excuse me but you have no clearance

1252
01:07:39,630 --> 01:07:35,799
to be here and they told me I had to get

1253
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:39,640
get gone very quickly and you've got I

1254
01:07:47,849 --> 01:07:45,730
got gone so fast yeah that now that is

1255
01:07:50,370 --> 01:07:47,859
sort of scary what I wanted to ask him

1256
01:07:52,650 --> 01:07:50,380
what you may be able to answer is they

1257
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:52,660
talk about universal consciousness which

1258
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,510
is fine I get that there's like a mind

1259
01:07:58,980 --> 01:07:58,240
out there that thinks or whatever you're

1260
01:08:00,839 --> 01:07:58,990
part of it

1261
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:00,849
that's the part that you have to

1262
01:08:05,549 --> 01:08:03,130
remember yeah but it doesn't does it

1263
01:08:09,170 --> 01:08:05,559
require and have't are a body or

1264
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:09,180
something or can it just float forever I

1265
01:08:17,660 --> 01:08:13,740
think it's in timeless spaceless place

1266
01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:17,670
which of course is not a place but it's

1267
01:08:25,650 --> 01:08:21,190
it's sort of like people scientists

1268
01:08:27,939 --> 01:08:25,660
often posit what was there before the

1269
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:30,610
and my contention and I'm not a

1270
01:08:42,099 --> 01:08:37,870
scientist I'm an amateur Cosmo but I

1271
01:08:45,930 --> 01:08:42,109
kind of think what it is is time and

1272
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:45,940
space or properties of this universe and

1273
01:08:52,930 --> 01:08:49,489
they don't exist outside of this

1274
01:08:54,809 --> 01:08:52,940
universe so it's always it's always the

1275
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:54,819
same it's always there it's always

1276
01:09:01,570 --> 01:08:57,920
consciousness and if you do quiet your

1277
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:01,580
mind you can join with this universal

1278
01:09:06,249 --> 01:09:04,130
consciousness which is actually both

1279
01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:06,259
inside and outside the universe I mean

1280
01:09:10,510 --> 01:09:08,029
because it's everywhere and everything

1281
01:09:13,059 --> 01:09:10,520
it's inside the universe but it is also

1282
01:09:17,289 --> 01:09:13,069
outside of the universe in a place of no

1283
01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:17,299
time in no space ok but I know it's just

1284
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:19,790
thinking if it needed a body to play the

1285
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:20,810
piano or something

1286
01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:24,080
I think that it's the contention of many

1287
01:09:30,189 --> 01:09:26,540
just look at the keys and go hmm you

1288
01:09:34,269 --> 01:09:30,199
know play this tea for me ok I think

1289
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:34,279
it's the contention of many that we are

1290
01:09:39,340 --> 01:09:37,130
I don't know I mean this is just this is

1291
01:09:44,249 --> 01:09:39,350
a theory and I didn't make this theory

1292
01:09:50,289 --> 01:09:44,259
up and that is that each of us are like

1293
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:50,299
little not exactly well pixels that's

1294
01:09:56,820 --> 01:09:54,170
what Tom Tom Campbell would say but fry

1295
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:56,830
in that fractals either I'm looking for

1296
01:10:03,250 --> 01:09:59,600
fragments fragments pieces yes but

1297
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:03,260
there's when you see all in a in a drop

1298
01:10:07,330 --> 01:10:05,210
you can see the whole universe in a drop

1299
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:07,340
of water kind of things so we're each

1300
01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:10,850
like the drops of waters drops of water

1301
01:10:15,610 --> 01:10:12,830
of the universal consciousness and we

1302
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:15,620
all share a part in it and our reason

1303
01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:19,730
for being incarnate in this body is so

1304
01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:21,620
that the universal consciousness can

1305
01:10:27,130 --> 01:10:25,160
have the experience of playing the piano

1306
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:27,140
as you say but they won't get that

1307
01:10:35,050 --> 01:10:33,710
experience from me but well and one of

1308
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:35,060
our guests also said something

1309
01:10:39,490 --> 01:10:37,130
interesting that everything does exist

1310
01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:39,500
at the same time yes and the human mind

1311
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:41,540
can't deal with that so we

1312
01:10:47,020 --> 01:10:43,850
invented time to separate these things

1313
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,030
out well I think that time was invented

1314
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:49,520
when the universe came into being

1315
01:10:58,180 --> 01:10:54,560
because it it it involves a space and

1316
01:11:01,540 --> 01:10:58,190
time are actually very much interrelated

1317
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:01,550
and we measure time by the movement of

1318
01:11:06,370 --> 01:11:04,130
something in space even if it's just the

1319
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:06,380
movement of the that seconds on the

1320
01:11:10,150 --> 01:11:08,450
clock or it could be the movement of a

1321
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:10,160
giant asteroid heading towards Earth

1322
01:11:19,630 --> 01:11:15,770
that's about to immolate us but if we

1323
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:19,640
were not beings of flesh who live and

1324
01:11:26,460 --> 01:11:23,930
die even within our universe we would be

1325
01:11:29,530 --> 01:11:26,470
able to go back and forth in time

1326
01:11:32,260 --> 01:11:29,540
because we wouldn't be beings of flesh

1327
01:11:35,050 --> 01:11:32,270
now we can go back and forth in time but

1328
01:11:37,450 --> 01:11:35,060
we can only do it with our minds we'll

1329
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:37,460
have to you know that experiment you

1330
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:40,010
wanted to do with Bill and myself yeah

1331
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:42,710
perhaps we should involve some of our

1332
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:47,450
listeners last week oh that's that's a

1333
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:49,070
real thought I'll have to give that a

1334
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,690
lot of consideration okay because no oh

1335
01:11:59,860 --> 01:11:55,760
no I was gonna say Mega Millions is like

1336
01:12:02,500 --> 01:11:59,870
too many numbers but pick three would be

1337
01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:02,510
pick three would be good anything that

1338
01:12:08,230 --> 01:12:05,960
doesn't have that super number is what

1339
01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:08,240
super number so when it's the Powerball

1340
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:10,520
number Oh Oh anything without the

1341
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:12,770
Powerball number is a lot more doable

1342
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:15,070
than something with the Powerball number

1343
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:19,310
on the other hand next show I would like

1344
01:12:27,460 --> 01:12:22,870
to announce that we have another major

1345
01:12:29,890 --> 01:12:27,470
superstar coming on who is dr. Stanley

1346
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:29,900
crypt nner of the Saybrook Institute

1347
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:33,730
okay and he is he is a veteran of

1348
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:36,080
psychical research he's as a

1349
01:12:41,410 --> 01:12:38,510
psychologist he started out in dream

1350
01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:41,420
studies he's he's he's been involved in

1351
01:12:47,230 --> 01:12:44,780
the field for more than 50 years so he

1352
01:12:49,810 --> 01:12:47,240
is an incredible and incredibly

1353
01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:49,820
wonderful guest for us to to be able to

1354
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:51,830
speak with and will be speaking about

1355
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:53,150
dreams Oh

1356
01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:54,530
so the

1357
01:13:00,040 --> 01:12:56,420
listeners if you have any questions

1358
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:00,050
about dreams or if you would like to be

1359
01:13:06,190 --> 01:13:03,710
on shattered reality as an experiencer

1360
01:13:08,980 --> 01:13:06,200
or if you have an account that you would

1361
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,990
like to be read on shattered reality

1362
01:13:15,790 --> 01:13:11,840
please get in touch with us by going to

1363
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:15,800
one of our websites which is shattered

1364
01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:18,830
reality dot-com shut it off I do this

1365
01:13:22,540 --> 01:13:19,550
all the time

1366
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:22,550
shattered reality podcast.com or

1367
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:26,600
shattered reality podcast wordpress.com

1368
01:13:31,210 --> 01:13:28,610
there's sort of twin sites that we have

1369
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:31,220
going please go to either one of them

1370
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,250
leave a comment and Ivan could pose a

1371
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:36,320
question to pose a question leave a

1372
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,120
comment and if you would like to to be

1373
01:13:47,020 --> 01:13:44,560
on you will have to send me some form of

1374
01:13:49,690 --> 01:13:47,030
contact information whereby I can

1375
01:13:52,180 --> 01:13:49,700
contact you about being in our

1376
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:52,190
experience or finally good at this

1377
01:13:56,140 --> 01:13:54,290
remote viewing I mean you really

1378
01:13:58,600 --> 01:13:56,150
wouldn't have to have them since you

1379
01:14:01,930 --> 01:13:58,610
contact information well don't you know

1380
01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:01,940
you can't read oh oh you've got well he

1381
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:04,580
read the letters that one God the ones

1382
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:07,730
iPad Prize on I am NOT Pat price I see

1383
01:14:15,820 --> 01:14:11,390
well that's all right I am NOT and I am

1384
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:15,830
still I am also still alive okay he died

1385
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:19,730
I'm very very curious circumstances yeah

1386
01:14:35,530 --> 01:14:27,410
in Las Vegas that the window that crazy

1387
01:14:37,570 --> 01:14:35,540
piano player watching but well if spell

1388
01:14:39,670 --> 01:14:37,580
the fellows name that's coming on next

1389
01:14:42,910 --> 01:14:39,680
week because so I don't he spelled the

1390
01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:42,920
it's doctor Stanley can all go with that

1391
01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:49,220
crypt nur K R I pp and E are okay and he

1392
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,990
was a coca-cola that runner is not a

1393
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:55,520
good word what's a better word with her

1394
01:15:03,610 --> 01:15:00,140
no he here and in my mind my mana

1395
01:15:06,970 --> 01:15:03,620
Maimonides dream lab is rippling he was

1396
01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:06,980
a co-founder he ran it with

1397
01:15:13,540 --> 01:15:10,920
yeah a fellow named Montague

1398
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:13,550
boy I'm lighting my waters right now

1399
01:15:21,260 --> 01:15:14,730
okay

1400
01:15:23,180 --> 01:15:21,270
have questions about dr. Stanley crypt

1401
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:23,190
this really would be an excellent

1402
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,210
opportunity to to address and to get

1403
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:29,280
some insight from a gentleman that is

1404
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:32,670
truly a giant and a feline and

1405
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:36,120
absolutely absolutely and it's a great

1406
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:39,060
opportunity if you're out there yes if

1407
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:42,090
you have a question particularly if it's

1408
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:45,050
about a dream that you believe is

1409
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:49,140
precognitive this is the man to be in

1410
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:53,120
contact with this is the man who is the

1411
01:15:58,700 --> 01:15:55,560
biggest expert out there

1412
01:16:02,570 --> 01:15:58,710
cool all righty okay so I guess until

1413
01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:02,580
next week I'll be speaking to you soon

1414
01:16:08,380 --> 01:16:05,790
okay Valentine okay all right first you

1415
01:16:11,090 --> 01:16:08,390
take care and and we're so happy that

1416
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:11,100
Russell could be on yeah yeah that

1417
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,290
that's great to have him on tape at all

1418
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:15,120
absolutely I know he's a personal hero